Will sew them in pots in mid March for planting mid May.

Bought from seeds and not expecting much. I've never had a lot of luck with seeds. These started out in little egg carton slots, then moved to pots and eventually to the garden. I used empty water bottles, with the bottoms cut off to protect from the elements early on and it helped maintain the moisture, as well as give protection. Once transplanted to the actual garden, they have exploded. I cannot wait to see the tomatoes that grow from this!!

I started square foot gardening in 2020, with a hiatus in 2021 and 2022 because deer mowed my plants down both of these years.

Because I grow square foot method, I prefer to use indetermate tomato plants, because they can be string trained or trellised. High production, low space requirement.

In 2020, my san marzanos (different brand of indeterminates) were fantastic and huge! I bought these seeds in 2022, after running out of my first and being too lazy to dig through my purchase history.

These germinated and sprouted but due to my cat's obsession with tomato sprouts/seedlings none made it into the garden.

This year I put up a very tall garden fence to keep the deer out, ran part of it on the ground tp keep armadillos out, and seeded late on my deck to keep my cat out of seedlings.

The seeds, a year later sprouted just fine and made it to the garden and maturity this year.

I accidently knocked my seed tray over containing my tomato sprouts (in peet pods) on my way to the garden. As a result, my san marzano, cherry tomato, and beef steak seedlings all got mixed together.

Cherry tomato plants get huge, but still shouldn't be a huge deal. I have them growing with okra to the south of them, sp the tomatoes don't shade out all else in each bed.

For some reason a few of my plants leaves curled from very early on, but not all plants. There was no disease, wasn't a watering issue, wasn't a nutrient issue. In fact I may have over loaded them on nutrients if anything trying to fix the leaf curl issues. As season went on, the curled leaf plants just didn't grow much. They stayed so short that the ones in the middle of the beds got shaded out quickly and completely by the later planted okra and other tomato plants. But they were getting super bushy.

Then it dawns on me, what if these aren't indeterminates? (I'd never grown determinates before. It never occured to me that the same kind of tomato had both determinate AND indeterminate types.)

I come in and check the seed packet, and sure enough - the back says determinate.

My plants were too big by the time I figured this out to put cages around them, so they are on strings like my other tomato plants, with some of the runners tied up to my overhead to try to make the best of it.

The only place I noticed in the listing "determinate" was on the back of package in one of the pics - which i did not look at in detail.

So, just FYI - these are a determinate variety!

Now, the good - these things are PROLIFIC fruit bearers. So much so, where one vine of tomatoes ends and another begins, you can't necessarily tell because they are so thick and close together. While attempting to tie up the fruiting vines, to get em off the ground - bc no cage - i had 3 of probably 10 plants have vines that broke off while still green, bc the limbs were THAT heavy.

So, with that said, make sure you want determinates before you buy these. If you DO want determinates - these. are. amazing. (I never did figure out why the leaves curled, in the last few weeks growth the old leaves have remained curled but new leaves are normal. Curled leaves didnt impact anything that I can tell though.)

I removed one star because I feel like the listing should make it more clear these are determinate and not indeterminate variety, other than just in image, and also hassle of mystery leaf curl which did not occur in any other varieties it was interplanted with.

I planted these in my Aerogarden and they only took around 15 days to grow 8". I transplanted to planters for now and the plants are healthy and sturdy.

My tomato plants are looking good. I started them indoors and moved them out once the last frost had passed. All my seeds sprouted. I can't wait for harvest time!